Saturday, November 9, 2013

The Top Five Most Obnoxious Things I've Done

Every once in a while a former classmate feels motivated to weigh in on the discussion here, usually to tell me I got what I deserved. Usually I try to ask them exactly what it was that I did that got them so riled up, but like the anonymous poster last week, they just go silent all of a sudden. So in two years of posting, with over a hundred feedback comments including participation from around half a dozen self-professed former classmates, no one has described an actual outrage that they personally witnessed me committing.

Now, to be fair, they generally don't accuse me of what you might call outrages. It's more just general, ongoing disruptive and obnoxious interference with the professors who are just trying to do their job. As the most recent Anonymous said before checking out,

"I dont remember specifics, Im doing report cards right now since I graduated and found myself a job. I do remember leaving class on multiple occasions when you started up on a rant and made it back in after several minutes and you were still spewing your nonsense. You should have maybe looked around once in a while and gauged your audience, something a teacher should often do. You would have seen the looks of disgust, confusion and disagreement on 99% of the faces."

As I pointed out last week, it's hard to believe you would actually stand up and walk out of class on multiple occasions and then not remember exactly what it was that motivated you to make such a drastic gesture. But the point is, what Anonymous and others like her are saying is that I would interrupt the lecture to pick a pointless fight with the professor, disrupting the class and wasting everyone's time. That much is clear.

So what I'd like is to have people to come forward, people who were in my class, and nominate the five most pointless, obnoxious arguments that I picked with any prof in any class. It shouldn't be that hard. Just remember the topic that I chose to make a point of, or any words that I actually said. Anonymous said in another post that there was at least one such incident every single day for the nine weeks I was in the program. So it shouldn't be that hard to come up with a top five.

And for bonus marks: Anonymous made a particular point about what she seems to identify as a kind of trademark gesture of mine involving waving a finger around. She mentions it twice, so I don't think it's an accident. For example in response to my request for a specific example of how I "disrupted her learning":

"Every day when you were waving your finger around trying to get the profs attention then just went on a rant for upwards of 10 minutes on plenty of occasions."

I wonder if anyone else remembers the finger-waving as being a characteristic gesture of mind, or whether there's any particular context to this. I have my own theory but I'm wondering what people might say.

But first of all, let's see if we can get people to come forward and name the five "most obnoxious" moments in Marty Green's short stint as an Education Student at the U of W. The nominations are wide open. Just try to be a little more specific than anyone has been so far.

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  1. #1-5 simply being born

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    1. Thank you for your contribution. But iIf you'll re-read the first paragraph of my post, I asked people to limit themselves to things that they had personally witnessed.

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  3. okay... I'll bite. How about when you 'out of the blue,' interrupted a lesson in Prof. B's class to profess your dissatisfaction for his teaching strategy? How about putting classmates on the spot to ask if they too agreed that power points did not seem like the best method of delivery... How about complaining non stop about having to do written assignments (pick any) that required specific elements as set out in rubrics???? How about whining that the professor is biased just because you received a crappy mark on a written assignment? BTW genius... "Written Assignment" was not to be taken literally. Handing in scribbled assignments on loose leaf won't cut it in university. Okay, not five, but it should get you started. For the record, the MOST obnoxious habit of yours? The finger wagging was by far the most obnoxious. There it is.

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    1. Okay, that's a good start. I remember telling a prof I didn't like the way he was presenting a topic using power point slides. And there was a discussion afterward when I asked the class if anyone else was having a problem following it. So that's one.

      Now as for the rest...you're a little non-specific here. If I was complaining "non-stop" about written assignments with rubrics...well, I know I don't like rubrics, but I don't actually remember arguing this point in class. Do you remember one assignment when it came up? I'm pretty sure I never complained about doing assignments in general.

      I also don't remember ever complaining in class about a mark I got, and in particular I never told a professor he was biased. Do you have any more particulars on this incident.

      And I don't know what you're talking about when you say I handed in scribbled assignments on loose leaf. Any details on that?

      Finally, with the finger wagging...there you go again. Just what do you mean by finger wagging, and why was it so obnoxious?

      Other than that, thanks for offering those suggestions. And for anyone else who's thinking about it, you don't need to have five all your own. We can make a "top five" by compiling everyone's suggestions.

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    2. Re: "And I don't know what you're talking about when you say I handed in scribbled assignments on loose leaf. Any details on that?"

      I believe you handed in a Unit Plan to Professor Bell that was on lined paper and hand written. I remember seeing it and I remember feeling really badly that you had done that because I know you probably had some amazing ideas. Funny thing. I wasn't fond of your demeanor from the beginning, yet I still thought you would pull it off....hunker down and do what you had to do to get through.... I was wrong.

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    3. I don't know what you saw, but I never handed in an assignment handwritten on lined paper. And if I did, is that a reason for them to kick me out of the program?

      Anyhow, if you want to see my Unit Plan, you can view it here:

      www.onforeignsoil.com/pdf/Science%201%20Unit%20Plan.pdf

      It's 41 pages long (not including appendices). How long was yours? Professor Bell gave me 55% on it. That's a pretty low mark in Education.

      And you still haven't said what was the big deal about the finger-wagging. I'd like to know what was your problem with it.

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    4. a reason to kick you out would be your refusal to even attempt to talk to them. you didnt even try to arrange a phone call or an email exchange, instead you immediately assumed they were trying to attack you when they were trying to give you the opportunity to defend yourself. instead of using this platform for expression (which seems to be what you always wanted) you took it as an attack and responded in the same belligerent fashion ive come to expect from you. If you had just met with the man and told him in person what you were afraid they were trying to do this whole process would have been avoided and you would be a teacher by now. I really think you could have made a difference if you had tried or wanted to, but you got in your own way.

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    5. Interesting perspective. You think (a) I deserved to get kicked out because of the way I chose to defend myself against the charges, and yet (b) if I had chosen a different strategy to defend myself I would be a teacher by now. So are you admitting that the horrifying accusations against me were unfounded?

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    6. Its tough to say, I wasn't a student in those classes but I'd say based on the in class context alone, no you did not deserve to be removed. You did deserve to have your case brought before a review so both sides could come to an amicable decision, and I honestly do feel that you would have come out on top in that procedure, but by not cooperating in the slightest bit, I feel you left them no other option but to remove you from the program. Its a vicious cycle, and this is where it ends now.

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    7. I recall in class you mentioning that the University wanted to meet with you... but (for whatever reason) you wouldn't. At the time I remember wondering, "what in the hell are you thinking?" Why wouldn't you communicate with the people that run the program? Why would you NOT try to remedy the situation? Then I remembered why...its because you think you should be allowed to do what ever you want. And above all, you need help for your mental health issues. I hope you find a professional that will help you with your illness. God Bless you Marty.

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  4. What exactly are you trying to accomplish with not only this post but this whole lawsuit? Posts like this seem like you are just trying to drum up some hits for your blog in hoping someone out there will defend you. This whole thing is just so bizarre.

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    1. I thought I was pretty clear that I don't want anyone to defend me...I want you guys to attack me. What part of "the five most obnoxious things I ever did" do you not quite get?

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  5. Ya but the problem with that is, you are always scheming/plotting. Everything you do is calculated. There is something more to it...and you still havent stated what you are trying to accomplish

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  6. It doesnt bother me, I just dont want the readers to fall into whatever trap you are trying to lay

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  7. Loved the finger wag.

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  8. Are you the same Anonymous or a different one? And what is the story about the finger wagging?

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    1. I believe he/she (or they) are referring to the gesture you made when you had a question or comment and were trying to get the instructor's attention. I labor to understand how it's obnoxious, but it certainly was a consistent action on your part. I believe I actually remember one instructor making a comment about the "finger wag" which he had intended to be taken humorously and lightly, and, at that time, you had explained that it was something you had learned to make a habit of in order to ensure the instructor actually saw that you had your hand up. Seemed reasonable enough to me!

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    2. Anonymous (you're not Moonface, are you), I appreciate the objectivity you're contributing here. I remember the exchange in question, and I think there was a bit more a subtext going on than you're allowing. But that's something we can take up later. I'm really disappointed in the haters out there...don't they have anything better than finger-wagging and complaints about power-point and rubrics? Come on guys, you don't just kick a guy out of university for handing in an assignment on lined paper???

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    3. I am, indeed, Moonface. Apologies for the lack of clarification to that end - I suppose the style with which I write my posts is starting to betray my identity. I really should simply fall into the habit of using "Moonface" as a moniker rather than simply "Anonymous" - I can appreciate the challenge in trying to mitigate some many unnamed commentators with such disparate ideas, critiques, and comments.

      More to the point: I would, certainly, conceded that there could have been more to the comment than what my previous post suggested. I admit that I did not give the instructor's comment my full attention and, rather, began to follow the exchange more intently after you responded to him. To that end, there could have been a subtext to the comment that, quite simply, I was not attentive enough to catch at the time. I do know that other members of the class took it to be a comment in pure jest, but cannot offer my own recollection of the comment, itself. I do know that I did not find your reply (or the gesture in question) obnoxious.

      I'm pleased that I can, at the very least, offer you some level of objectivity. If this blog is supposed to be about the truth of the matter, then it behooves me contribute in a manner that forwards that purpose.

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    4. "Moonface"November 15, 2013 at 12:44 PM

      *concede

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    5. When I said you omitted the "subtext", I didn't mean that as a criticism. You reported "just the facts", which was fine. The so-called subtext may be just a figment of my paranoid imagination, but when you consider the intense feelings that some people obviously expressed regarding the finger-wagging, I think there's clearly something more going on than meets the eye.

      I think I'll write about it at more length in a separate blogpost. In the meantime, I'm still waiting for more nominations for the List of Five Most Obnoxious Marty Green Incidents. Come on, haters, I know you're out there. So I told the prof I don't like power-point presentations (does ANYBODY?) He was skimming through point-form lists of notes without pausing to explain any of them! Surely you need more than that to kick me out of university?

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  9. Ok, it was obnoxious when you jumped up to the board in Metz's class disrupting the presentation, I recall you trying to prove a point or something. Metz sure did not like it!

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    1. Yes, I know you people thought it was obnoxious every time I opened my mouth in class. But it doesn't explain why I got kicked out of school unless you tell us WHAT DID I SAY and WHY WAS IT OBNOXIOUS? You really have to give us some details.

      I think I know what incident you are talking about, and I have Metz's version of it in writing. I'd like to know how you remember it and see how close it comes to what Metz had to say.

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  10. And there it is...Dont fall into his trap

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    1. Yes, I'd like to prove what a liar Metz is by showing how he exaggerated the incident in question to get me kicked out of class. Do you have a problem with that?

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  11. I do because I bet most people do not recall exactly what happened. You are looking to win a case based solely on technicalities. You shouldn't be a teacher, you would never get hired, they actually saved you a lot of time by kicking you out, unfortunately you have no life and are wasting even more time on this case

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    1. Why do you assume no one else remembers what happened? You should let them speak for themselves. As for you, if you really don't remember the events in question, it's hard for me to understand why you're so sure I deserved to be kicked out...and for that matter, why you're even taking part in this discussion.

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  12. I was too busy trying to focus on starting up my career, and since then I have found myself a job, I am sorry I dont remember all the details of your combative/obnoxious behaviour in class. Questions for you now...what made you want to become a teacher and what could you offer to the students that would make you a strong teacher? Is your goal still to become a teacher one day?

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    1. I don't mind that you can't remember any details. It's just hard for me to understand what motivates you to get all over the internet to tell people how obnoxious I was, when you can't actually remember what it was that I did which got you so upset.

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    2. you didnt answer the questions.

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  13. Marty, a photographic memory is not required to know a person is behaving boorishly. There is no need to remember details, just avoiding that person is enough.

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  14. Hey Marty, you accuse Metz of lying. Isn't that slander? Haven't you opened yourself up to a lawsuit? And what if you memory is mistaken on one or two details (and guaranteed it is) then doesn't that make Marty Green a liar? Does that trait run in your misbegotten family? Apple doesnt fall far and all that.

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  15. Very foolish misbegotten marty, lawsuit from Metz is assured, count on it, and then we will see who has the last laugh.

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  16. Lets say he does "win" this lawsuit. What does he actually gain from it? Im so confused by this whole thing.

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  17. What he will gain by "winning" is the ability to say "I told you so" and "I'm really not a nut, see I am a genius but I was - bo ho - picked on by the mean old University because they didn't understand my genius". There is no way he will win and poor little picked on Marty will fade into obscurity doing what misunderstood geniuses do, think about how smart they are and how they have no friends because no one understands them, feed pigeons and redesign Manitoba's transit system.

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